Re: [www.keralites.net] Dear Kumar

Hi Abraham,

Can you please give a clear reply for Kumar's mail. like the statements like
2 Kings 10:18-27
Exodus 21:1-11
Exodus 32:27    etc...

God allows savery???  I know Bible is telling about slavery also..
Any way what ever may be the reason I cannot allow the statements like "God asking for animal sacrifice." as holly...

Love & Regards,
Dhanesh Narayanan

--- On Wed, 4/6/08, abraham varughese <abraham_689@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: abraham varughese <abraham_689@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [www.keralites.net] Dear Kumar
To: Keralites@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 4 June, 2008, 4:52 PM

Dear Kumar & all,

In the beginning itself I must say that I am not ready for any type of argument with anybody. In the meantime, trying to tell you the universal truth. But, if some questions arise regarding the Bible, you can ask me. As, I am a Christian, I will be available 24 x 7 (not for argument).

Here is the reply of your mail

1. Genesis 22:2 - "He (God) said, 'Take now your son, your only son, whom you love, Isaac, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I will tell you.'"

In Genesis 22:2, God commands Abraham to offer Isaac as a sacrifice. How could God be so cruel as to ask Abraham to sacrifice his own son? If you read the rest of Genesis chapter 22, the answer becomes clear. God prevented Abraham from actually sacrificing Isaac. God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac to test and strengthen Abraham's faith - and - to give us a powerful illustration of His love for us. While God does not require us to sacrifice our children to Him, God Himself later sacrificed His own Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, to provide for the forgiveness of all of our sins. Abraham declared, "God Himself will provide the Lamb" (Genesis 22:8), and approximately 2008 years later, God did exactly that: "Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!" (John 1:29).


2. Genesis 22:10 - "Abraham stretched out his hand and took the knife to slay his son."

While Genesis 22:10 appears to be Abraham getting ready to commit the most cruel of deeds, killing his own son, Genesis 22:11 states that God sent an angel to stop Abraham from killing Isaac. Yes, Abraham was willing to kill Isaac. Why? Because Abraham's faith in God went beyond Abraham's ability to understand why God would command such a thing. Abraham's obedience was unquestioning. Abraham trusted that God knew what He was doing...and therefore was willing to obey. Interestingly, Hebrews 11:19 gives insight into what Abraham was thinking. Abraham knew that God could raise the dead. So, Abraham thought that even if he killed Isaac, that God would bring Isaac back to life, and would then fulfill His promises to Abraham regarding Isaac.


3. Genesis 38:7 - "But Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the Lord's sight; so the Lord put him to death."

The Hebrew word translated "wicked" in Genesis 38:7 is (ra') and refers to "evil," "wretchedness, " and "harmful mischief." It is commonly used throughout the Old Testament to refer to acts of evil and wickedness. Genesis 38:7 does not specifically say how Er was evil, but whatever Er did or was still doing, it was exceedingly evil - and worthy of death. This is not an instance of cruelty, but rather an instance of divine justice."

4. Genesis 38:10 - "What he did was wicked in the Lord's sight; so He put him to death also.

Why did God put Onan to death? Did God kill Onan for "spilling his seed" on the ground? To understand Genesis 38:10, it is important to understand this ancient custom. In the ancient Hebrew culture, if a man died without having children, the man's brother was to marry his brother's widow and produce a son with her. This son would be considered the son of the man who had died, and would carry on his family line. This may seem foreign and unnecessary to us, but in that culture, it was crucially important. By intentionally trying to avoid producing a son for his dead brother, Onan was indicating that he did not care about his brother, his brother's widow, or his family. Does it seem cruel for God to put Onan to death for this? Yes. However, the text does not give us a full picture of Onan. There is no reason to assume that other than this fault, Onan was a good and godly man. Onan likely was similar to his brother, Er, who was also put to death for wickedness."

----- Original Message ----
From: S kumar <kumar_8134@yahoo. com>
To: Keralites@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2008 8:09:16 AM
Subject: Re: [www.keralites. net] Dear Mr. Dhanesh Narayanan [Why did God require animal sacrifices in the O.T.?]

Dhanesh, Abraham and others,
Read the Bible what GOD has instructed the Christians to do!!
priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious criminal acts that the Welcome to the Evil Bible.com Web Site
This web site is designed to spread the vicious truth about the Bible. For far too long Bible promotes. The so called "God" of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This "God", according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children. I have included references to the Biblical passages, so grab your Bible and follow along. You can also follow along with on-line Bibles such as http://www.biblestu dytools.net/ or http://skepticsanno tatedbible. com/.
It always amazes me how many times this "God" orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said "Thou shall not kill". For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).
God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3) He orders another attack and killing "all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses" (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married.
When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church!
In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.
The "God" of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter into slavery (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29 -40 and Isaiah 13:16 ), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 14:1 & Psalms 137:9).
This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person.
Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse cannot be justified by saying that some god says it's OK.
If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself.
Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven:
"For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." (Matthew 19:12 ASV)
I don't know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.
The "God" of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice.
I know that most Christians believe that God is a good and loving god, and wants people to do good things. I believe that most people want to do good things and behave morally. I also believe that many Christians haven't really read the Bible, or just read certain passages in church. This is understandable, as the Bible is hard to read due to its archaic language and obscure references. Also many priests and preachers don't like to read certain passages in the Bible because they present a message of hate not love.
If you follow the links on the left side of this page you will learn about all the nasty things in the Bible that are usually not talked about by priests and preachers
Evils, Atrocities and Injustices of the Torah
The following is a very SHORT list of sadistic acts that are commanded, allowed, or threatened by God and his "righteous" men. All of these verses can be found in the Torah. (which are the first five books of the Bible.) I have put them in chronological order so that you may verify them as you read along. (Keep in mind that the scriptures literally have an atrocity on every other page. So this list will keep evolving as I work through the Pentateuch yet again. To compile a full list may take months, so feel free to check back in later.)
God entraps humans by placing the tree of knowledge in the garden and telling Adam and Eve not to eat of it. This is rather similar to placing a toy in front of a child and telling them they are not allowed to play with it. God created us with instinct, rebellion, and curiosity. Soon he punishes us for only doing what is part of our nature. Genesis 2:16.47
God now commands that all women must have health hazardous labors for Eve ate the fruit. In no way shape or form is it just that I must pay for the sins of my ancestors. Genesis 3:16
God caused sibling rivalry by favoring Abel over Cain, with absolutely no attempt at justification. This act of favoritism led to Abel's death. Genesis 4:3-5
Genesis 7:23 He killed, intentionally, every man, woman, and child on the planet save eight of them.
God commands Hagar go back into servanthood and bear children for her master though she does not want to. Genesis 16:7-9
Genesis 19:23-25 God burns down a whole city (women and children included) simply because they were supposedly homosexual.
Er, Judah 's first-born, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and that the Lord slew him. How was Er wicked? The Bible doesn't give us this bit of information, only that Er was wicked in the sight of the Lord. Genesis 38:7
Genesis 38:10 God murders Onan for refusing to commit incest with his sister in law.
Exodus 12:29 God repeatedly tells Moses exactly what calamity he will next visit upon the Egyptians if the Pharaoh does not allow the Israelites to be set free from slavery. Then he tells Moses (also repeatedly) that he will harden Pharaoh's heart, so that he will refuse to allow the Israelites to go, thus bringing a calamity upon his own people, as well as showing him the awesome power of the Israelites' Lord. This occurs over and over, bringing calamity upon calamity upon the Egyptian people.
What is troubling about this verse is that when god "hardens the pharaoh's heart" he is interfering with the Pharaoh's free will and ultimately bringing punishment on the Egyptians for something they are not responsible for. As a final punishment god decides to kill all first born of Egypt . The lord reduced himself to murdering innocent kids when he could have simply freed the Israelites himself with his "omnipotent" power.
God punishes children for the sins of their fathers, unto the third and fourth generations. Punishing a child for the sins of their ancestors is not very just. Exodus 20:5&34:7
God endorses slavery. He even set up laws as to how slavery was to be carried out, and goes as far as Okaying beating them. Exodus 21:2-6
God sanctioned the selling of ones daughter. How can any being tell another to literally sell their child into slavery? Disgusting! Exodus 21:7
Exodus 22:18- God orders the death of witches, sorceresses and anyone who practices magic. Sadly enough, this verse was justification for the Inquisition, a genocide that took nearly half the global female population.
Exodus 32:27 God ordered to be killed, 3,000 Israelites for no greater crime than worshipping a golden calf. I don't know about you but death is a pretty harsh fucking punishment.
Leviticus 20:9-10 God commands death for cursing out ones parents and death for adultery.Gee, with these types of laws the population should be almost nil by now.
Once again god is a homophobe, or at the very least, a bigot. Leviticus 20:13
Handicapped people must not approach the altar. Leviticus 21:16-23
Leviticus 26:30 "And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat."
Leviticus 27:28-29 God ordered and allowed human sacrifices.
Numbers 16:27 God buries alive Korah and his family.
Numbers 16:35 God killed 250 Levite princes who disagreed with Moses' leadership. He was so bloodthirsty that he wanted to slay more until he was talked out of it. Later he put a plague upon 14,700 Jews who thought there was something wrong in killing 250 princes.
Numbers 21:1-3 God utterly destroyed the Canaanites at Hormah as a favor to the Jews.
Numbers 21:27 -35 God abetted Moses in utterly destroying the Amorites at Heshbon - "…the men, the women, and the little ones."
Numbers 31:17-18 God commands Moses to kill all the Medianite people including children and women. To top it off he commands that the virgins be saved for later raping by Moses' soldiers.
Deuteronomy 3:3-7 God ordered Moses' army to "utterly destroy" 60 cities, killing all the women and children within!
Deuteronomy 7:12 God ordered the Israelites to kill all the people of seven nations. He even adds, "show no mercy unto them".
Deuteronomy 20:16 God orders that we kill everything that breathes in the cities that he gives us for an inheritance
A bastard can't attend church "even to his tenth generation." As if denying an innocent child rights to worship isn't cruel. Deuteronomy 23:2





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